Thursday, December 10, 2009

Response #1

Please respond using historical facts.....

How did the government systems of Han China and the Roman Empire compare?

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  1. In both classical Han China and Classical Rome, government played a huge role. Both societies had a group of people, in the upper class, who helped make decisions that affected the people. In Rome, the Senate, and later tribunes, assisted in decision making. Shi Huangdi, who was the main ruler in Han China, appointed governors to different areas of his empire. These governors appointed people under them to take care of certain tasks.
    Han China and the Roman Empire also had very strong beliefs in their specific law codes. Rome created the Twelve Tables, and China had it's own very strict set of laws. Military rule was also a major aspect in which these two societies compare. Although during Han China the state didn't rely solely on the use of their military, military activity fluctuated.
    Involvement in public works also was a big governmental contribution from both empires. Rome built roads and harbors, stadiums and public baths to entertain and distract citizens. Han China developed complex irrigation and canal systems. They regulated supplies by storing grain and rice when harvests were bad.
    Despite the differences between Han China and the Roman Empire, the way they ran their governments was fairly similar. Rome encountered various leaders that had views just like those of Shi Huangdi. They may have differed in areas such as law codes, or bureaucracies, but the same basic idea was present in Han China and the Roman Empire.

    Kristen Dalli

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  2. In both, Han China and the Roman Empire, there government system matched up with each other and played a huge part in both civilizations. Military rule was also a main characteristic in which these two civilizations compared to each other. Association in public works also was a huge legislative involvement for both empires. Rome constructed roads and harbors, and stadiums to entertain and distract the general public. Han China developed a fused irrigation and canal systems. They synchronized supplies by accumulate grain and rice when harvest were terrible. Both societies had a group of community, upper class, which helped make choices that affected the people. In Rome, the Senate, assisted in decision making. In Han China, Shi Huangdi, who was the ruler of Han China, selected governors to different regions of his empire. These governors appointed citizens under them to take care of certain errands. Han China and the Roman Empire also had an extremely strong way of being in their particular law codes. Rome formed the Twelve Tables, and China had its own very harsh set of laws. Even though the variation between Han China and the Roman Empire, the way they run their administration was almost alike. Rome came across various leaders that had ideas just like the ideas of Shi Huangdi. They perhaps will have held opposing views in areas such as law codes, or systems of government, but the same fundamental idea was there in Han China as well as the Roman Empire.

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  3. The government system in both Han China and Roman Empire were very different. Yet they both establish law codes to protect their citizens. Han China developed a centralized government where as the Roman Empire developed a republican government. Shi Huangdi the first emporer of Han China appointed governors to each district of his domain. They, in turn, named officials responsible for smaller regions.This was a classical model of a centralized government. In addition, they realized the importance of creating a largely, highly skilled bureaucracy, one capable of carrying out the duties of a complex state.These bureaucrats would later become an important element of China's political tradition. As the Government system expands judicial matters such as crime and legal disputes commanded more attention by local government authorities. Its system of courts was backed by a strict code of law; torture and execution were widely employed to supplement the preaching of obedience and civic virtue. On the other hand, Roman Empire primarily focused on the principle of aristocracy, specifically entrusted with the tasks of representing the interests of the common people. The most important legislative body was the senate, composed mainly of aristocrats, whose members held virtually all executive offices in the roman state. Two consuls shared primary executive powers, the rulers of Rome. In addition to considerable tolerance for local customs and religions, plus strong military organization, the Romans emphasized laws as the one factor that would hold their vast territories together. The first code of law was The Twelve Tables,providing political and social rights for the plebeians. In addition, both societies developed their own government systems and law codes to prevent their civilization from falling.

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  4. The Roman and Han China governments were very different in most ways but were similar in several. One big similarity is that both empires were ruled by an emperor. For example Wu Ti ruled over Han China and Caligula ruled over Rome. Also the line of emperors stayed in the family in both societies and rulers went to great extents to keep it that way. For instance in Rome many of the emperors married family members so that the power would not leave the family. Although both societies were ruled by an emperor the power that the emperors had were different. Han China’s emperor’s had full control while Roman emperor’s had their power split amongst the Republic. The Roman Empire’s power was split amongst the senate, the consuls and the emperor so the emperor’s power was limited while in Han China the emperor had unquestioned rule.
    Another similarity is that both governments knew when to stop expanding. Rome stopped trying to expand its empire after they took over Carthage and controlled the Mediterranean Ocean. Han China stopped expanding after they felt if they expanded any further they would lose control of some of the country. They are two of the few dynasties to stop expanding and not just continue until their militaries were defeaten. Han China and Roman governments were also similar in that at points they had one main religion in the country. Under Wu Ti in China Confucianism was made the national government and in Rome under Theodosius I Christianity was made the official religion.

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  5. Han China and the Roman empire had a very strong and powerful government system and had a big effect on both civilizations.In Han China they had a strong central government.They had a universal tax system.In Han China there was one emporor at one time. In Han China each district was appointed a governor by its emporer.Then the governors appointed officials to to be in charge of smaller areas.Han China also had a buerocracy in addition to the centralized government. They had a huge beurocracy which had about 130,000 beurocrates.The governors coordinated the farming.The rulers could anlso be controlled by the Chinese buerocracy.Torture and execution were used to keep obedience within Han China.The Roman Empire had a very stong and powerful Republic Government.There were two Consols which were the rulers of Rome.It had a Senate which were the representitive body for the patricians.
    It had a Tribal Assembly which were the representitve body for the plebians. In han China Shi Huangdi who was the main emporer during Han China had the Governers help him in decision making. In the Roman Empire the consuls had the senate and the Triball Assembly help him out in decision making. In both civilizations they had rulers that were very powerful and helped the civilization or empire expand and become more powerful.In Rome they had the twelve Tables as their law code while China had their very own law code and both law codes were very strict.In Han China and the Roman Empire they both had there own very differnt kind of systems of government and law codes but both civilizations were very successful.

    Sajin Abraham

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  6. Han China and Rome differed but also had some simmilrities. Han China(being years before Rome) had less advantages that Rome had as they evolved. This doesnt mean that Han China didnt have a strict/well developed government. Like Rome, Han China had Strict punishments and had rulers/emperors to take charge and make the land safe from invaders or any problems. Like any country they had different ways of seeing things. Han China was a somewhat peaceful dynasty that was all about worshiping and the sacred spirit of the after life. Rome on the other hand was more obsessed with power, wealth, and winning. They didnt really even care about death of other people. In the end Rome just wanted to rise to the top above the rest. Then came religipous power to both lands. Rome had Christianity, which Rome didnt really even lke at all. In Christianity murdering was a big NO, and Rome didnt like that because they didnt care (again, POWER). In Han China though they had Budhissm. As i said before this religion was all about the afterlife, and when you were good enough to move on with your life. This is how i think Rome and Han China Compare.

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  7. Han China and a Rome had a similar government. Han China and Rome had a military system that was very important to their government. They both also built many important materials for their life style. Han China built irrigation system to give them water and Rome built roads, aqueducts, collesiums, and theaters. All of the objects that were invinted in Rome were to entertain and distract people. Han China didn't reallu use their military until later when they started to get invaded. Han China was more focused on their society because they were isolated from the rest of the world. Rome used their military to take over nations. During the eras of Philip II and Alexander the Great, Rome's military was the most powerful army in the world. The laws created by both empires was also important. In Han China, their laws were strict and harsh. In Rome, their laws were also harsh, but not as strict. From, louis matroneHan China and a Rome had a similar government. Han China and Rome had a military system that was very important to their government. They both also built many important materials for their life style. Han China built irrigation system to give them water and Rome built roads, aqueducts, collesiums, and theaters. All of the objects that were invinted in Rome were to entertain and distract people. Han China didn't reallu use their military until later when they started to get invaded. Han China was more focused on their society because they were isolated from the rest of the world. Rome used their military to take over nations. During the eras of Philip II and Alexander the Great, Rome's military was the most powerful army in the world. The laws created by both empires was also important. In Han China, their laws were strict and harsh. In Rome, their laws were also harsh, but not as strict. From, louis matrone

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  8. In Han China and The Roman Empire government was different and played many different roles. Han China had a ruler named Shi Huangdi. He made a single law code for his whole empire. and created a uniform tax system. He assigned a governor to each of his domains who exercised military and legal powers in the name of the emperor. Then there were special areas delegated to to special areas and decisions to the emperors ministers. Some take care of finance. Some with justice. Some with Chinas Military affairs and much more. Chinas government also sponsored organizing research in astronomy and the maintenance of historical records. The government taxed everyone and made all male peasants perform some labor. Chinas government explains ho China survived its downfall. The Roman Empire had a Senate. Which who were aristocrats who held virtually all executive offices in the Roman state. With two consuls with executive power but in times of crisis the could choose a dictator. The Twelve Tables was Romans first code of law. Most of Romes governments focused on law courts and military forces. Romans government also supported festivals for their gods. So the government between Han Chinna and the Roman Empire are very different they both saw their government in different ways and different eyes.

    By Kathleen Gottlieb

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  9. Although the government systems in Han China and the Roman Empire had some differences, they were also very similar. One big similarity was that they were both ruled by an emperor, who ultimately had control over the empire. For example, Wu Ti ruled over China, and Marcus Aurelius ruled over Rome. These were both forms of centralized government.
    However, these governments both had a bureaucracy, meaning there were departments of government (for example, a judicial department). Han China had over 130,000 bureaucrats. Rome had two main rulers, called consuls. Rome had the Senate, which was a legistlative and advisory body (to thr consuls)composed of aristocrats. Rome also had The Assembly of Centuries (a body consisting of 100 aristocrats who voted on military matters). Later on, The Assembly of Tribes (whose tribunes ruled over the plebians, or peasants) would be formed.
    Another similarity was that both empires had some degree of military involvement in the government. Han China expanded into Indochina, Korea, and central Asia, but then slowed down because they would have to move people to those outlying regions, which would be very hard to rule (It took over a month to get messages to these regions). Rome expanded as well, and much more eagerly because of its large military and skilled tactics (like forming legions that could be broken up to fight separately).
    Both empires had a strict, unified law code that covered the whole empire. While Han China wasn’t as strict as Qin China, the punishments for breaking a law were still severe. Rome had the Twelve Tables of laws, which judges would enforce. There was jus civile (civil law), and jus naturale, (universal law). Universal law was what justice is, without regard to the laws of any particular country. Jus gentium was the combination of foreign and local laws. These created fair laws for everybody in the empire.
    Both empires looked out for their subjects. They had public works (China’s irrigation systems and Rome’s roads and aqueducts) to employ the subjects. They also made sure the people were comfortable. Han China built graneries to store grain to prevent price increases in bad crop years, so peasant could afford it. Gaius, the brother of the tribune Tiberus Gracchus tried to get the government to buy grain and sell it to the peasants at a low price. Also, in Han China, Wu Ti created schools for aspiring bureaucrats, giving peasants a chance to move forward.
    Although Rome and Han China were different in some ways, their systems of government had many similarities.

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  10. In both of these Classical Civilizations goverment extended its power and enabled the borders of both Han China and the Roman Empire.In Rome their superior military set them apart from Han China.Military was a large factor in the Roman Empire. This is a similarity in both of the civilizations. In Han China military was also something focused on in the goverment.Both also had emperors for some period of time.In Rome Marcus Aurelies and Julius Caesar ruled of the whole empire.In Han China great emperors like Wu Ti and Shi Huangdi ruled over the empire.
    This made both empires a central goverment but both also had their differences.In Rome They were the first to use cement and advanced architecture to totally new places,where China had made architecture in an effort to survive.This occured in China but they also had made jewlery that Rome had never matched up to. Their focus obviously differed due to their differences in their situation.
    A major difference in these two civilizations is that Rome's Twelve Tables were subject to change and were very open to outside influences and welcomed these influences.In Han China their strict Rules were not able to be influenced due to their georgraphical placement.Both of these techniques worked for both Empires for a very long period of time but like all great Empires they had fallen,but had left a masterful footprint in the face of the earth.

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  11. The Romans and Ham china were similar and different in there own way.They were both ruled by an emperor.Han china was ruled by Wu Ti.Rome was ruled by Julius Caesar.Both of the empires what they did was that heir family would gain the power of the empire.They would do everything so that there family could keep it.If they had to marry their own sister they would.Both of the governments had bureaucracy.But what was different in china is that they had 130,000 bureaucrats.Rome had 2 main rulers that were called consul.Rome had a senate. China had a system of irrigation and Rome had roads that went completely straight.Rome also had aqueducts and collesium.Rome also had the twelve tables which they could change.The twelve tables were a code law they made up.In Han in china there law code can not influence the people due to were they were.But one common similarity is that they both lasted for a long period of time in there impact was big on history.

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  12. Han China and the Roman empire, had two great political points of view during the classical period.These two civilizations had great military strength that helped to keep order within itself.The military played a major role in both of these governments.Each also had rulers, in Han China it was Wu Ti and in Rome it was Julius Caesar and Marcus Aurelius.
    Architecture was also a major part of government. In Rome, they were the first to make cement. THey used cement to build concrete roads for the military and messanger to walk on, for easy accessabilty to other nations. In China architecture was used for survival. They also made a vast selection of jewlery that Rome could not make.
    One major difference between rome and Han China was the law codes. Rome had a law code called the Twelve Table which were subjected to change because Rome was easily influenced by the laws of the nations that they took over. Han China on the other hand a vast law code which was never influenced by other nations do to their isolation. Both empires were very influential but, all good things must come to an end.

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  13. Although Han China and the Roman empire differed greatly, their governments had certain aspects that were similiar. For example, both of these large empires had rulers who claimed ultimate control over the entire empire. Han china was ruled by Wu Ti and the Roman Empire was once ruled by Julias Caesar. They were also buearcratic societies meaning that the government was divided. The Roman Empire had the two mad consuls and the Senate that was mainly made up of aristocrats. Han china was also made up of over 130,000 people for their buecracy. Both empire also had a unified law code that both empires enfoorced and for breakin the laws, punishments wer severe.But, one major difference was in their law codes. Because of China's geography it was mostly isolated and were not easily influenced in their law code as Rome was. But although these empires had many differences, their governments were very much alike.

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  14. Both the roman empire and the Han empire had their similarities and differences in their government systems. A similarity that both empires shared was that they had centralized governments. This meant that they had one supreme ruler. The Han empire was ruled by Wu Ti and the roman empire was ruled by rulers like Marcus Aurelius, Julius Caesar and Augustus. Another thing we can compare the two empires are in their laws. The Han empires laws were based on legalism and Confucianism. The Han empire kept most of the laws and regulations from the Qin.Under this new form of legalism and Confucianism rewards and punishments were still used for the common people. The emperor made many of his friends nobles and gave them huge amounts of land to rule, which they had no experience and led to invasions. The Roman empire had their own law code named the Twelve Tables. Which they kept on changing due to many influences. This type of Law code contained jus civile, jus naturale and jus gentium. Another similarity was that both governments constructed their own public works to make their empires more comfortable. Han empire created a system of irrigation that would cover their whole empire so that their land could be well irrigated and grow crops to trade. The roman empire also created their own. They constructed aqueducts that took a long time. This aqueducts brought fresh clean water from rivers into the city of Rome. They also built roads which was very important for the city of Rome. Every road that you would go on led to the city of Rome. Since it was the main city this made it more easier for them to trade. Another similarity was in their government. Both had bureaucracies. Han empire had over 100,000 bureaucrats which voted over laws. In the roman empire they had two consuls that ruled in the government and they had advisors which were called the Senate. As you can see The roman empire and the Han empire shared many similarities. This left an important mark in world history.

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  15. Government was very important in both Han China and Rome. As always, government helped direct people what to do in specific times and provided a lifestyle. Both of these classical civilizations had a set of laws, Rome's being the Twelve Tables. They both also had strong military forces, even though Han didn't rely on the military as much as Rome did.
    Han China had an organized bureaucracy in which the emperor set up governors in different areas of the empire and those governors had people under them to take care of certain things in that area. Rome was also very organized, but in a different way. Classical Rome's government was called a Republic. In the Roman Republic there were many different groups of citizens that made up laws and elected various magistrates but the most important was the Senate. The Senate was made up of patricians and they held all executive offices in Rome and in times of crisis, the Senate had the authority to elect a dictator to hold power until the crisis passed.
    Although these two classical civilizations had different techniques of government they both had a very organized, successful government that helped them last for so many long years.

    jaclyn tepedino

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  16. The government systems of both Han China and the Roman Empire shared several similarities and differences. One large instance of a government similarity would be that they both had one ultimate emperor- they ruled by a centralized government. For Rome it would be Caesar and for Han China it would be Wu Ti. Another fairly important fact within both governments was that they also bureaucracy- a department for each.. aspect. As for their differences, Han China followed by very cruel, harsh, and strict rules and if they were to be broken it was even worse. Not to point out that the Romans didn't follow by strict laws, but in my opinion compared to Han China- Rome's rules was very "light." Another important consideration would be the way both empire shaped their laws. Han China didn't actually "give" their share of rights to the people. On the other hand, Rome followed by a republic. The Roman empire actually allowed any of their citizens to take part in shaping their rules. The Roman Republic allowed them to enforce and pass down new rules or to either remove some (because they were considered "out of date".) In my opinion, I would conclude that the Romans took their military sources for granted more than Han China did. The Romans have contributed much time and thought to their military training- they've also created legions. These legions consisted of thousands of people who trained one another, helping one another, and staying loyal to each other. These people stayed together and always trained together- their main focus was to always train for the military. Overall, both Han China and the Roman Republic shared many similarities and differences within their government systems.

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  17. Han China and the Roman Empire governed their societies in similar ways. Both regions occupied a large mass of land, too large for one ruler. So both civilizations solved this problem by handing over some power to the people. Under the Han Dynasty, villages practically ran themselves. In Rome, Assemblies were held to make decisions publically. With land come people, so both societies had plenty of both. To guide and control the masses, they used law. For the Roman Empire this came in the form of the 12 tables. To maintain any society you need money. Both were made from merchants and artisans and the collecting of taxes.

    John Montana

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  18. Classical Rome and Han China were two very powerful civilizations. China and Rome both had very strong armies. The soldiers from Rome were very loyal and very well trained. Both civilizations had strong local rule. With the Han it wasn’t as important, but to the Romans everyone being loyal, to them, was key. The Romans' made the twelve tables so that all there peasants knew the rules.
    Both civilizations also used bureaucracies. It was almost impossible for either civilization's peasants to move up in society. Under the Han rule you had to take a very hard test, and with the Romans you had to have money. Since all the peasants were usually slaves that was nearly impossible.
    Han China and Rome were not alike when it came to trade. The Romans were a trade capital, due to their geographic location. Where Han china mostly traded silks, because they had to travel over mountains and desserts to communicate with the outside world. That is also the reason why Roman architecture is more common around the classical time then the Hans.

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  19. Han China and the Roman Empire controlled and ran there government in similar yet differential ways. Han China and The Roman Empire didn’t have just one ruler. They both had a strong military's and had a large mass of territory. Han China believed in the importance of creating a highly skilled bureaucracy while Rome emphasized claws that would hold there territories together. Han china first emperor which lead them to a great political power was Shi Huangdi also Wu Ti who enforced peace and gained power of bureaucracy. Julius Caesar was one ruler for a period of time until his assassination. His grandnephew Augustus Caesar told over and established the basic structures of Rome. Rome created the Senate, mainly composed of aristocrats which helped maintain the government. Han China expanded power with strong local units. The Roman Empire assisted on many gods, but Han China passed a rule which gave the right to rule from the gods through the Mandate of Heaven. Roman Empire and Han China included a lot of intellectual life. Han china promoted the Confucian Philosophy into there government, as for, the Roman Empire spread and expanded out there monarchy. Han China and the Roman Empire shared the same Governmental ideas. There military did decline later on in life but there focused and well organized government made both Classical periods special.

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  20. Han China and the Roman Empire are very similar and very different civilization. A major difference between the two is their importance of trade. Both civilizations were well known for their success in trading. Another similarity was their well organized government.
    This was also considered a difference because the way each government was run. In Han China the citizens had no say in what happened to them or around them. Where as in Rome, they had something known as a Senate. A Senate was a group of citizens that voted on what happened in Rome. They also decided on what laws would be added or taken away. This is why their laws were "light" or not harsh, unlike in Han China where there laws were harsh and cruel.

    Another major difference was their military. In Han China their military wasn't considered that important. Where as in Rome the military was their life. They had things known as legions. A legion was something that meant that certain soldiers would eat, sleep, train, live, and fight togther.

    Michelle Rosario

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  21. Han China and the Roman Empire had some similarities and differences in their government systems. Han China had an emperor and other minor rulers that ruled different sections of the Empire. Their system is called a bureaucracy. The Roman Empire had a Republican government. Rome also had an emperor/dictator, however, the person that was mainly in charge of making the laws was called the senate. The other people who had the authority to have a say in making the laws were called patricians and aristocrats. There was at least one famous ruler in both Han China and Rome one being Wu Ti and Rome being Julius Caeser. Also, both Han China and Rome had a strong military. Although, Rome depended a little more on their military because of constant battles with enemies and of the claiming of massive amounts of land and territory.

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  22. the governments of han china and the roman empire are both similar but different. Many of the differences are due to their government's organizational structure. In Han China a bureaucracy was created to have a systematic rule over the vast area. The Roman empire did not have the exact same style of bureaucracy but they were organized just as well. In stead of having wealthy landowners be in charge of towns(like in Han china) Rome had politicians and military personnel who were given power to rule over certain areas that were giving under their control. Also at no points did Han China have two equal rulers like the two consuls of the Roman republic. Also unlike China, in the Roman government new laws found in new regions conquered that roman rulers liked became enforced.
    Although Han China and Rome had their differences, they also had many similarities. One example is their use of happiness to prevent revolts against their authority. In Rome many public works such as baths were created along with circuses for entertainment. In Han china roads and such creations were used. Another similarity between both governments is that both had some division of classes at, at least one point of their existence. In Rome there were patricians and plebians, while Han china had many starting with emperors. Both governments imposed taxes, had vast armies and military forces which were used in gaining more land. They both also went through many different leaders before falling.

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  23. government was a huge part in both han china and the roman empire. each has its similarities and differences. bureacracy was created in han china to rule over a big area. rome did not have the same exact thing but it was similar. han china had an emperor and many minor rulers. rome had a republican goverment with an emperor. the emperor was not in charge of laws though,the senate was. in han china the emperor was in charge of laws.

    Michael Baronick

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  24. Both the Han Dynasty and Roman Empire share a lot In common with the way they ran their government but they also had a lot of differences as well, for example. The Han dynasty was a centralized bureaucracy run by one person, the emperor. The emperor would assign people under him to rule specific aspects and then report to him, this form of government proved to be successful for the large amount of land the Han ruled,(the Han also connected their religious beliefs with their government.) But the Romans were ruled by a republic. Two men in charge(women could not serve) called the consul had a lot of say in what went on. They decided what the laws were, whether to go to war or not, how much the taxes were and more, but both consul members had to be in agreement in order to change anything. Under the consul was the Senate, it was made up of the wealthiest men in Rome(, and most of the time the consuls did what the senate advised. There was also the Tribunes they were like the Senate for the poor(plebeians). Both civilizations expanded to great lengths, this showed that they both developed a strong government and leader because if they didn’t there vast Empires would have fallen much faster than they did.

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